Comments on: Fedora 9 and the road to KDE4 http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2008/05/14/fedora-9-and-the-road-to-kde4/ Red Hat Magazine Mon, 6 Oct 2008 19:35:04 +0000 http://lyceum.ibiblio.org/?v=1.0.2 by: Dr. Craig http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2008/05/14/fedora-9-and-the-road-to-kde4/#comment-128487 Fri, 19 Sep 2008 05:41:05 +0000 http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2008/05/14/fedora-9-and-the-road-to-kde4/#comment-128487 KDE, really is unstable and unreliable in the super user mode. Shuts down on its own. Denies permissions even in super user. Programs like unpacker vanish. I don't know but it seems to this user that the guys at Fedora project really need a director. Really, just too many things that need tweaking instead of less more reliable choices. Maybe that is just the nature of open source the same as on line articles not dating first thing so we can see that the information is ancient history. KDE, really is unstable and unreliable in the super user mode.
Shuts down on its own. Denies permissions even in super user.
Programs like unpacker vanish.
I don’t know but it seems to this user that the guys at Fedora project really need a director. Really, just too many things that need tweaking instead of less more reliable choices.
Maybe that is just the nature of open source the same as on line articles not dating first thing so we can see that the information is ancient history.

]]> by: Patrick Op de Beeck http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2008/05/14/fedora-9-and-the-road-to-kde4/#comment-113481 Sun, 10 Aug 2008 13:06:41 +0000 http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2008/05/14/fedora-9-and-the-road-to-kde4/#comment-113481 At this moment KDE4 is resonable stable, doesn't work yet with 3D drivers it is still very Early Beta now. I hope we have soon 3D. For those who aren't changing a thing it is good. A lot is fixed but still a lot need to be improved. For production I recommend still 3.5.9. August 2008 At this moment KDE4 is resonable stable, doesn’t work yet with 3D drivers it is still very Early Beta now. I hope we have soon 3D.
For those who aren’t changing a thing it is good.
A lot is fixed but still a lot need to be improved.
For production I recommend still 3.5.9.
August 2008

]]> by: Blair http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2008/05/14/fedora-9-and-the-road-to-kde4/#comment-105408 Fri, 11 Jul 2008 21:00:06 +0000 http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2008/05/14/fedora-9-and-the-road-to-kde4/#comment-105408 I will be the first (or among the first) to admit that Fedora 9 with KDE 4 is not for the faint of heart. I threw darts at it for nearly a week, and was just about to write it off when the last set of updates to Fedora 9 were released, and a few things that were broken, actually started working correctly (or nearly so). First in this list, for me, was XvMC on an nVidia GPU. High Def and animated 3D content was jumping all over the place prior to this release, now it only stutters occasionally :) The desktop crashed regularly and now seems reasonably stable, even with translucency turned on all over the place. Some desktop effects (like 'Sharpen' on my box), make the desktop freak out. A little file hacking was required to recover it. The audio subsystems actually seem to work now too, though JACK can't seem to force my Audigy card to step down from 48Khz to 44.1Khz on Fedora 9 (works fine with the same hardware on Fedora 8) None the less, the sound quality and application audio stream mixing is definitely improved over Fedora 8. Ardour seems to work well with it. Bottom line, I can't quite use it as a Digital Audio Workstation yet, nor as an A/V editing system, but it does seem to do all the basic desktop functionality now. Hopefully Fedora 10 will address the remaining issues BEFORE they release it! I will be the first (or among the first) to admit that Fedora 9 with KDE 4 is not for the faint of heart. I threw darts at it for nearly a week, and was just about to write it off when the last set of updates to Fedora 9 were released, and a few things that were broken, actually started working correctly (or nearly so).

First in this list, for me, was XvMC on an nVidia GPU. High Def and animated 3D content was jumping all over the place prior to this release, now it only stutters occasionally :)

The desktop crashed regularly and now seems reasonably stable, even with translucency turned on all over the place.
Some desktop effects (like ‘Sharpen’ on my box), make the desktop freak out. A little file hacking was required to recover it.

The audio subsystems actually seem to work now too, though JACK can’t seem to force my Audigy card to step down from 48Khz to 44.1Khz on Fedora 9 (works fine with the same hardware on Fedora 8) None the less, the sound quality and application audio stream mixing is definitely improved over Fedora 8. Ardour seems to work well with it.

Bottom line, I can’t quite use it as a Digital Audio Workstation yet, nor as an A/V editing system, but it does seem to do all the basic desktop functionality now. Hopefully Fedora 10 will address the remaining issues BEFORE they release it!

]]> by: KDE 4 is the best…advertisement for GNOME that is. « Ryan’s Tech Blog http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2008/05/14/fedora-9-and-the-road-to-kde4/#comment-99845 Mon, 23 Jun 2008 04:19:04 +0000 http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2008/05/14/fedora-9-and-the-road-to-kde4/#comment-99845 [...] “While Compiz and Compiz fusion provide a lot of whiz-bang eye candy, the configuration utilities for them are difficult to use and there is not much integration with the desktop environment. Kwin has grown its own composing manager, as has Metacity, so for now it may be best to leave Compiz to prototype and experiment with new plugins.” -http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2008/05/14/fedora-9-and-the-road-to-kde4/ [...] […] “While Compiz and Compiz fusion provide a lot of whiz-bang eye candy, the configuration utilities for them are difficult to use and there is not much integration with the desktop environment. Kwin has grown its own composing manager, as has Metacity, so for now it may be best to leave Compiz to prototype and experiment with new plugins.” -http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2008/05/14/fedora-9-and-the-road-to-kde4/ […]

]]> by: Jim http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2008/05/14/fedora-9-and-the-road-to-kde4/#comment-98765 Wed, 18 Jun 2008 23:55:01 +0000 http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2008/05/14/fedora-9-and-the-road-to-kde4/#comment-98765 I should remind people that Linis Torvalds once urged people to switch to KDE from Gnome. "I personally just encourage people to switch to KDE. This 'users are idiots, and are confused by functionality' mentality of Gnome is a disease. If you think your users are idiots, only idiots will use it. I don't use Gnome, because in striving to be simple, it has long since reached the point where it simply doesn't do what I need it to do." It seems that KDE has finally fallen into Gnomes trap by making a desktop that is even worse than Gnome circa 2005 (when Linus made this post). The sooner the KDE folks make a quick about face and put configuration and customization back into the KDE so power users can get back to getting work done. Some focus on stability would be welcome as well. I should remind people that Linis Torvalds once urged people to switch to KDE from Gnome.

“I personally just encourage people to switch to KDE. This ‘users are idiots, and are confused by functionality’ mentality of Gnome is a disease. If you think your users are idiots, only idiots will use it. I don’t use Gnome, because in striving to be simple, it has long since reached the point where it simply doesn’t do what I need it to do.”

It seems that KDE has finally fallen into Gnomes trap by making a desktop that is even worse than Gnome circa 2005 (when Linus made this post).

The sooner the KDE folks make a quick about face and put configuration and customization back into the KDE so power users can get back to getting work done.

Some focus on stability would be welcome as well.

]]> by: Jim http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2008/05/14/fedora-9-and-the-road-to-kde4/#comment-98764 Wed, 18 Jun 2008 23:48:59 +0000 http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2008/05/14/fedora-9-and-the-road-to-kde4/#comment-98764 "KDE 4 is certainly a mess and virtually unusable…it should not have been included in the release along with several other packages" I couldn't agree more. We out FC9 through the usual battery of pre-deployment testing here at the office and every failure was related to KDE 4.0. It's a complete and utter train wreck. If F10 does not include a 3.5.x option for KDE we will either switch to Gnome (not happily) or simply stick with FC7. KDE has done a great job of making a worthless Vista clone of a desktop environment. They've one upped Microsoft though by making it the least stable desktop enviroment we've ever tested. Ugh... “KDE 4 is certainly a mess and virtually unusable…it should not have been included in the release along with several other packages”

I couldn’t agree more. We out FC9 through the usual battery of pre-deployment testing here at the office and every failure was related to KDE 4.0. It’s a complete and utter train wreck.

If F10 does not include a 3.5.x option for KDE we will either switch to Gnome (not happily) or simply stick with FC7.

KDE has done a great job of making a worthless Vista clone of a desktop environment. They’ve one upped Microsoft though by making it the least stable desktop enviroment we’ve ever tested.

Ugh…

]]> by: shenkov http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2008/05/14/fedora-9-and-the-road-to-kde4/#comment-97717 Tue, 17 Jun 2008 04:32:43 +0000 http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2008/05/14/fedora-9-and-the-road-to-kde4/#comment-97717 KDE 4 Fedora 9 isn't the good way. I'm sorry! The KDE 4 interface is wrong. Don't keep it... KDE 4 Fedora 9 isn’t the good way. I’m sorry! The KDE 4 interface is wrong. Don’t keep it…

]]> by: anoop http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2008/05/14/fedora-9-and-the-road-to-kde4/#comment-96931 Sun, 15 Jun 2008 16:39:56 +0000 http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2008/05/14/fedora-9-and-the-road-to-kde4/#comment-96931 Totally disappointed with fedora9 kde, I think I will wait for fedora10 before upgrading from fedora7, It's not stable and the usability and convenience of kde-3,5 is all gone, Or is it simply that I have to learn kde all over again just to change the colour of the kicker or panel, And of course the black colour looks like an hearse to me Totally disappointed with fedora9 kde, I think I will wait for fedora10 before upgrading from fedora7, It’s not stable and the usability and convenience of kde-3,5 is all gone, Or is it simply that I have to learn kde all over again just to change the colour of the kicker or panel, And of course the black colour looks like an hearse to me

]]> by: mgb http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2008/05/14/fedora-9-and-the-road-to-kde4/#comment-96593 Sat, 14 Jun 2008 20:22:07 +0000 http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2008/05/14/fedora-9-and-the-road-to-kde4/#comment-96593 I've been using KDE at least since version 1.1 in RH 6.2. KDE 4.x is not ready for prime-time. In fact KDE 4.x is alpha quality and not yet ready for beta testing. KDE 4.x has some good looking icons, and some technology which may one day be useful. What there is not is a desktop which most users can be productive with. The new menu is a bad joke, although that at least is fixable. The new control center and file manager are crippled by design - apparently emulating Vista. I seriously hope Fedora ships KDE 3.5 in F10. Otherwise most KDE users will have to find another distro when F8 security updates end about six months from now. KDE 3.5 is needed for a year or two more until KDE 4 becomes usable in version 4.3 or 4.4. I’ve been using KDE at least since version 1.1 in RH 6.2.

KDE 4.x is not ready for prime-time. In fact KDE 4.x is alpha quality and not yet ready for beta testing.

KDE 4.x has some good looking icons, and some technology which may one day be useful. What there is not is a desktop which most users can be productive with. The new menu is a bad joke, although that at least is fixable. The new control center and file manager are crippled by design - apparently emulating Vista.

I seriously hope Fedora ships KDE 3.5 in F10. Otherwise most KDE users will have to find another distro when F8 security updates end about six months from now. KDE 3.5 is needed for a year or two more until KDE 4 becomes usable in version 4.3 or 4.4.

]]> by: jekader http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2008/05/14/fedora-9-and-the-road-to-kde4/#comment-94598 Sun, 08 Jun 2008 08:13:22 +0000 http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2008/05/14/fedora-9-and-the-road-to-kde4/#comment-94598 :) Interesting stuff! I've always been a Fedora+KDE user - but when I saw KDE4... There was no big problem in the fact, that things were different - but lots of stuff was just unconfigurable... So I've set up KDE4.1beta1 from rawhide - things are a bit better, but dolphin and konqueror stopped working :lol: So now, for the first time, I'm under GNOME - and it resembles KDE 3.5.9 more, than I could do that with KDE4 :( So my opinion is that the complete swithch to KDE4 was too much. Not to say that fedora9 was released with no 3d-capable nvidia drivers :D :) Interesting stuff! I’ve always been a Fedora+KDE user - but when I saw KDE4… There was no big problem in the fact, that things were different - but lots of stuff was just unconfigurable… So I’ve set up KDE4.1beta1 from rawhide - things are a bit better, but dolphin and konqueror stopped working :lol:

So now, for the first time, I’m under GNOME - and it resembles KDE 3.5.9 more, than I could do that with KDE4 :(

So my opinion is that the complete swithch to KDE4 was too much. Not to say that fedora9 was released with no 3d-capable nvidia drivers :D

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