Comments on: It’s five o’clock somewhere… and v.5 is everywhere. http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2007/03/14/its-five-oclock-somewhere-and-v5-is-everywhere/ Red Hat Magazine Mon, 6 Oct 2008 19:02:12 +0000 http://lyceum.ibiblio.org/?v=1.0.2 by: Neil Frubster http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2007/03/14/its-five-oclock-somewhere-and-v5-is-everywhere/#comment-3363 Sun, 15 Apr 2007 06:41:03 +0000 http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2007/03/14/its-five-oclock-somewhere-and-v5-is-everywhere/#comment-3363 My company was a redhat shop until RHEL 3. We recently shifted to Sun Solaris. I was never an unhappy sysadmin with Linux, but if you want my honest opinion, Solaris beats the HELL out of RHEL or any other linux distro. It is miles and miles ahead of Linux for the enterprise platform and is not a dead product like some of the ignorant people here think. But I still would prefer Linux to win the race ! My company was a redhat shop until RHEL 3. We recently shifted to Sun Solaris. I was never an unhappy sysadmin with Linux, but if you want my honest opinion, Solaris beats the HELL out of RHEL or any other linux distro. It is miles and miles ahead of Linux for the enterprise platform and is not a dead product like some of the ignorant people here think.

But I still would prefer Linux to win the race !

]]> by: mookie http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2007/03/14/its-five-oclock-somewhere-and-v5-is-everywhere/#comment-2580 Sun, 01 Apr 2007 23:46:43 +0000 http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2007/03/14/its-five-oclock-somewhere-and-v5-is-everywhere/#comment-2580 Ismet, I think you have the wrong assumption about what Red Hat is out to sell. They are not out to sell software, Red Hat's business is based on selling service. When you buy Red Hat support services, you get RHEL free -- disagree? You can't when you think about it. If you're a service support customer of Red Hat's running RHEL4 WS, you get to upgrade to RHEL5 WS "free", since they are not selling you the software. Red Hat has a solid business plan and getting users who use Ubuntu ("Give me a single disc solution that installs a desktop OS that I can run at home") is not part of it. Red Hat is out to sell service and those people who are happily downloading Ubuntu for free and using it without the need for support, they are not the kind of customer that make a company money. You want RHEL for free without service? Go CentOS. You want to support Red Hat, get a service contract -- enough of one that you feel that is worthy for you. I have one RHEL5 Desktop with Workstation license so that I can support Red Hat. I have two light servers (one for home storage and one for a ssh jump box) that I run CentOS. I feel that it was worth buying a service support contract from Red Hat because without them, there is no CentOS (or any other rebuild project for that matter). -Mookie Ismet, I think you have the wrong assumption about what Red Hat is out to sell. They are not out to sell software, Red Hat’s business is based on selling service. When you buy Red Hat support services, you get RHEL free — disagree? You can’t when you think about it. If you’re a service support customer of Red Hat’s running RHEL4 WS, you get to upgrade to RHEL5 WS “free”, since they are not selling you the software.

Red Hat has a solid business plan and getting users who use Ubuntu (”Give me a single disc solution that installs a desktop OS that I can run at home”) is not part of it. Red Hat is out to sell service and those people who are happily downloading Ubuntu for free and using it without the need for support, they are not the kind of customer that make a company money.

You want RHEL for free without service? Go CentOS. You want to support Red Hat, get a service contract — enough of one that you feel that is worthy for you. I have one RHEL5 Desktop with Workstation license so that I can support Red Hat. I have two light servers (one for home storage and one for a ssh jump box) that I run CentOS. I feel that it was worth buying a service support contract from Red Hat because without them, there is no CentOS (or any other rebuild project for that matter).

-Mookie

]]> by: Junior http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2007/03/14/its-five-oclock-somewhere-and-v5-is-everywhere/#comment-2375 Fri, 30 Mar 2007 04:02:45 +0000 http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2007/03/14/its-five-oclock-somewhere-and-v5-is-everywhere/#comment-2375 Agree Agree

]]> by: Ismet Dere http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2007/03/14/its-five-oclock-somewhere-and-v5-is-everywhere/#comment-1781 Wed, 21 Mar 2007 23:07:27 +0000 http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2007/03/14/its-five-oclock-somewhere-and-v5-is-everywhere/#comment-1781 here's an article that illustrates how lesser and lesser people taking about Redhat. http://www.downloadsquad.com/2007/03/21/linux-mce-looks-hot/ "MythTV, the popular Linux based PVR project, has been around for some time. It's nice, and it functions well, but it's only as functional as Windows Media Center Edition plus, it can be difficult to install and configure. Linux MCE, which wraps MythTV up into a nice package and places it squarely on top of the leading Linux distribution Ubuntu -- may be poised to change some of that." here’s an article that illustrates how lesser and lesser people taking about Redhat. http://www.downloadsquad.com/2007/03/21/linux-mce-looks-hot/

“MythTV, the popular Linux based PVR project, has been around for some time. It’s nice, and it functions well, but it’s only as functional as Windows Media Center Edition plus, it can be difficult to install and configure. Linux MCE, which wraps MythTV up into a nice package and places it squarely on top of the leading Linux distribution Ubuntu — may be poised to change some of that.”

]]> by: Ismet Dere http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2007/03/14/its-five-oclock-somewhere-and-v5-is-everywhere/#comment-1749 Wed, 21 Mar 2007 14:46:20 +0000 http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2007/03/14/its-five-oclock-somewhere-and-v5-is-everywhere/#comment-1749 To previous poster: (I hope someone reads this, hopefully dependable Shadowman too.) RedHat can not afford to ignore the youth. they are tomorrows sysadmins and managers. They are the ones who will have most influence on IT purchasing decisions of their companies. As for Sun, Sun's Solaris is dieing product, another example is Novell's Netware, there is no turning back for them. RedHat is different, its on the way up, rising. RedHat must learn from Microsoft's worst kept little secret for success, that is, until Windows98, Microsoft made Windows (DOS and Office too) easy to copy, easy to pirate, easy to duplicate, did not require serial number to install, and allowed everyone to copy freely, and everyone copied, pirated, and installed it onto as many PCs as they had. Windows flourished, spread so quickly as it did. I know there were better products on the market then, but those were inconvenient and costly to obtain, and few people bothered, people pirated Windows instead, and nobody cared if it was inferior product. RedHat must mot be unreachable company, its products must not be inconvenient to obtain and try, else few people will bother. As I mentioned in my previous post, less and less people bothering with RedHat already, take the press coverage of RHEL5 product launches for instance, it was a disaster, period. Web or print very few publications took notice, even then they put the news at the bottom of their pages, and was expired within hours on the web. A disaster. Shadowman of RedHat, you must wake up. Axe the Fedora or rename it to RedHat Linux or RHEL Beta. Make a RHEL Express version, make its ISOs available for free download to Joe the nerd (CentOS/Oracle does it anyway. no credits to you.), AND THEN SELL the RHEL subscription service. It maybe already late, You must act fast. Once Again: RedHat MUST NOT be unreachable company, its products MUST NOT be inconvenient to obtain and try, else few people will bother. To previous poster: (I hope someone reads this, hopefully dependable Shadowman too.)

RedHat can not afford to ignore the youth. they are tomorrows sysadmins and managers. They are the ones who will have most influence on IT purchasing decisions of their companies.

As for Sun, Sun’s Solaris is dieing product, another example is Novell’s Netware, there is no turning back for them.

RedHat is different, its on the way up, rising.

RedHat must learn from Microsoft’s worst kept little secret for success, that is, until Windows98, Microsoft made Windows (DOS and Office too) easy to copy, easy to pirate, easy to duplicate, did not require serial number to install, and allowed everyone to copy freely, and everyone copied, pirated, and installed it onto as many PCs as they had. Windows flourished, spread so quickly as it did. I know there were better products on the market then, but those were inconvenient and costly to obtain, and few people bothered, people pirated Windows instead, and nobody cared if it was inferior product.

RedHat must mot be unreachable company, its products must not be inconvenient to obtain and try, else few people will bother.

As I mentioned in my previous post, less and less people bothering with RedHat already, take the press coverage of RHEL5 product launches for instance, it was a disaster, period. Web or print very few publications took notice, even then they put the news at the bottom of their pages, and was expired within hours on the web. A disaster.
Shadowman of RedHat, you must wake up. Axe the Fedora or rename it to RedHat Linux or RHEL Beta.

Make a RHEL Express version, make its ISOs available for free download to Joe the nerd (CentOS/Oracle does it anyway. no credits to you.), AND THEN SELL the RHEL subscription service.

It maybe already late, You must act fast.

Once Again: RedHat MUST NOT be unreachable company, its products MUST NOT be inconvenient to obtain and try, else few people will bother.

]]> by: Anonymous http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2007/03/14/its-five-oclock-somewhere-and-v5-is-everywhere/#comment-1729 Wed, 21 Mar 2007 08:41:11 +0000 http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2007/03/14/its-five-oclock-somewhere-and-v5-is-everywhere/#comment-1729 Ismet, I don't think Red Hat/Fedora needs or even wants the kids that are being attracted by Ubuntu. A free version is not a market advantage at all. Look at Sun: as their last desperate attempt to stop their market share loss, they released OpenSolaris. But did it help at all? Ismet, I don’t think Red Hat/Fedora needs or even wants the kids that are being attracted by Ubuntu.

A free version is not a market advantage at all. Look at Sun: as their last desperate attempt to stop their market share loss, they released OpenSolaris. But did it help at all?

]]> by: Ismet Dere http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2007/03/14/its-five-oclock-somewhere-and-v5-is-everywhere/#comment-1660 Tue, 20 Mar 2007 09:24:47 +0000 http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2007/03/14/its-five-oclock-somewhere-and-v5-is-everywhere/#comment-1660 As a long-time user (since 1995 that is =) user, promoter and a longtime shareholder of RHT, I would like to say, Congratulations! to you all in RedHat, and thank you. We have been waiting for this day and very exited. Now, if you will allow me I have a few words that I need to get off of my chest. RHEL should have a free version. call it whatever you may, call it RHEL Express for example, but GET one version out for the average Joe. And watch out CentOS, oh yes. I am sure RedHat can get, and needs and rightly deserves, a much better karma, and much better name recognition by distributing RHEL for free, instead of CentOS (and the likes) doing just that for them. guess who gets the credit? not RedHat, I assure you on that. Here is why, When people talk about CentOS these days, lesser and lesser and lesser do people refer to RedHat, I know, I've been around long enough. And Fedora? don't get me wrong, I love Fedora but I would like to see that Fedora is axed or merged back into RHEL, rename it something like RHEL Beta (after all, currently it is what it is, or being treated as by its users), at least this will give new users - the kids that are now being attracted to Ubuntu - a solid and quick name recognition. Currently it's confusing, really. When people speak about Fedora they rarely (if ever) mention RedHat, the next guy who hears Fedora conversation for the 1st time would think of it as just another boring distro (which it is not.), and would go with distros which currently have more buzz (Ubuntu?, Google it and see for yourselves). and that IS NOT good for Redhat. oh NO. As a long-time user (since 1995 that is =) user, promoter and a longtime shareholder of RHT, I would like to say, Congratulations! to you all in RedHat, and thank you. We have been waiting for this day and very exited.

Now, if you will allow me I have a few words that I need to get off of my chest.

RHEL should have a free version. call it whatever you may, call it RHEL Express for example, but GET one version out for the average Joe.

And watch out CentOS, oh yes. I am sure RedHat can get, and needs and rightly deserves, a much better karma, and much better name recognition by distributing RHEL for free, instead of CentOS (and the likes) doing just that for them. guess who gets the credit? not RedHat, I assure you on that.

Here is why, When people talk about CentOS these days, lesser and lesser and lesser do people refer to RedHat, I know, I’ve been around long enough.

And Fedora? don’t get me wrong, I love Fedora but I would like to see that Fedora is axed or merged back into RHEL, rename it something like RHEL Beta (after all, currently it is what it is, or being treated as by its users), at least this will give new users - the kids that are now being attracted to Ubuntu - a solid and quick name recognition.

Currently it’s confusing, really. When people speak about Fedora they rarely (if ever) mention RedHat, the next guy who hears Fedora conversation for the 1st time would think of it as just another boring distro (which it is not.), and would go with distros which currently have more buzz (Ubuntu?, Google it and see for yourselves). and that IS NOT good for Redhat. oh NO.

]]> by: Mark McLaughlin http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2007/03/14/its-five-oclock-somewhere-and-v5-is-everywhere/#comment-1618 Mon, 19 Mar 2007 12:59:53 +0000 http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2007/03/14/its-five-oclock-somewhere-and-v5-is-everywhere/#comment-1618 When will there be a $50 Desktop OS based on Enterprise Linux 5 that runs on any Windows or Mac based PowerPC/Intel System with limited business features as well as home based solutions? I look forward to a Linux OS that is in between Fedora 7 and full blown Enterprise Linux 5, the best of both worlds!!! :D Mark McLaughlin marknetproductions.wordpress.com When will there be a $50 Desktop OS based on Enterprise Linux 5 that runs on any Windows or Mac based PowerPC/Intel System with limited business features as well as home based solutions?

I look forward to a Linux OS that is in between Fedora 7 and full blown Enterprise Linux 5, the best of both worlds!!! :D

Mark McLaughlin
marknetproductions.wordpress.com

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